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Ivan



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Location: Lansing Michigan

PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Working in pairs Reply with quote

I was just curious as to how you deploy the team. Of course I know that it is different in given situations but how do you assign tasks?

When I worked in executive protection, and as a paramedic each person knew their job AND their partners job.

Now being that we are all different of course everyone will shine in their own area. The point in knowing your partner's job is in case they are ill or weather prevents them from making a drive, YOU still know how your partner does things to get the best results and can help fill in.

The biggest thing I have seen teams do in this line of study that (to me) screams "unprofessional" is mob an investigation site and just randomly start doing things.....talk about Russian Roulette!

Just ready to get my hands dirty and see how you guys operate. I might see something totally different that works for team deployment.......it is just awfully hard to get GOOD EVP's when it sounds like Napoleon's retreat from Moscow in the background.

I cant wait to work a case with you!


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patricia
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Organize Reply with quote

Absolutely right,,,orginization is extreamly important,,,for instance we ran into a situation where the client had friends who wanted to investigate with us,,,,a touchy situation for sure, and made it chaotic as well. After that investigation we decided to make it clear that we would be doing the investigations ourselves. Yes, we go in pairs, with the exception of the cemetary where circumstance dictated we go in threes,,,,,it worked out well.
We definitely made the rule,,,no whispering,,,it can make reviewing the investigation almost impossible,,,so it is a priority with us.
Now we have an investigation coming up, that we think the client is a " portal" for activity. This is not just our conclusion but by the author Rev. Hunter, who has investigated her situation also.  so, i am leaning towards her participation, if she is willing. It would be her call of course.
To answer  your question,,,,,our investigation team members know each other,,,so that makes it easy to know their strong points.
Amy and myself do the walk through, decide where the equipment goes, after we interview the client as to where they have experienced the activity.  Of course nothing is set in stone, some of that has to be intuitive, don't you think? For instance the cemetary was intuitive.

Patricia
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Ivan



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Location: Lansing Michigan

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes I think intuition is very important within the realm of limits. The biggest problem thing I have seen is people asking me to review video and audio with 25 people and the Marine Corps Marching Band going through the room, and yet they still hear an EVP or see a shadow........

I think all EVP evidence should be gathered as silently as possible.....for instance the EMF reader checks the room and moves out with base readings while you lay a mic to record EVP, that sort of thing. Going in to take new readings is fine, just leave the Vienna Boys Choir at home.

I am not talking about ANYONE here....you all seem very professional and seem to have methods that work for you because you are getting evidence.
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Ivan



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Location: Lansing Michigan

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: Organize Reply with quote

patricia wrote:

Now we have an investigation coming up, that we think the client is a " portal" for activity. This is not just our conclusion but by the author Rev. Hunter, who has investigated her situation also.  so, i am leaning towards her participation, if she is willing. It would be her call of course.
Patricia


Just  asking (I think I know) what Denomination is Rev. Hunter? Has the client had a recent comprehensive physical? How long has her experience been happening? Is she herself religious or agnostic?  It would be interesting to see her vital signs.

Last but not least does she wear any type of religious cross, medal or talisman?

Dont want to bug you but you caught my attention......... Very Happy
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patricia
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Rev. Hunter Reply with quote

Well, I have read Rev. hunters books and one of the reasons I like him, he leaves his ministry out of it. Not personally I am sure,,,,but as far as his read goes. This is a hobby for him it seems. He is a Methodist Minister[pretty even keel I think}.
Our client has high regards for him. easy to talk to,,,,etc.
She is an RN at a local hospital,with some supervisory credits.
As far as her physical or psychological state, I don't ask. She's low keyed, and intelligent, that is what I know of her personally,,,,all the vitals I have.
I donot know her Religious background, but I don't see the harm in asking, only because I know her personally. If it were a client I did not know, I don't think I would ask, unless necessary. I can see how it might come to that at an investigation for sure.

Patricia
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Ivan



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason I ask is tumors occurring in certain areas of the brain whether benign or malignant can cause A LOT of hallucination....."real" memories can be made of things that "never happened".....I always worry about overall health when I hear stories like hers. They would pass a lie detector hands down.

I wasn't trying to take a whack at the Rev., just some things some Faiths believe to be true I really shake my head at what they call "proof".

I am a friendly guy just trying to liven up the board a bit.
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GhostDragon



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Location: Paw Paw Michigan

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't trying to take a whack at the Rev., just some things some Faiths believe to be true I really shake my head at what they call "proof".


Proof?  What proof is there........exactly?  Religous beliefs are grounded in faith, not proof.  There is NO absolute proof of anything where God, heaven, hell, devils, demons, and etc., are concerned.  My father was a Baptist minister, and I grew up in church, going nearly every night for sixteen years that I lived in the house.  I have seen some major "events" spiritually speaking, however, I cannot say for sure exactly what/who caused some of the "events"...............God, devil, demon............or man.
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patricia
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Perspective Reply with quote

Ivan,,,,,Oh no, this board needs to be livened up a bit for sure,,,,,your ideas are welcome and it makes us think for sure.  I totally agree, there could be other reasons for hallucinations, heck yes,,,and we need to be aware of them.
Different percpectives are welcomed here. I am not on the defense one bit, just giving you the facts.

Patricia
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Proof? Reply with quote

dragon,,,So true, I think we know our own proof when it comes to the unknown.
When something paranormal does happen in a persons life, they do tend to look at things with a healthy skepticism, after all they have been there ya know?
And events that you would think are fearful are not,,,it's quite amazing actually.

Patricia
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not being defensive either, I am just letting you know that my religious experiences are vast also.  I value, and respect other peoples religions, and faith, I think it is a great quality.  I just fail to view everything that I do not understand as being some sort of malevolent or demonic force.  I think that waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much credit is given to these forces, and historically always has been.


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